Post Tinebrae Lux

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Monday, August 21, 2006

A Prayer of Salvation?

So I'm engaged in another series of blogging debates last week, and the issue is the so-called 'prayer of salvation.' I guess I have been living under a rock for the past few years, but I was dumbfounded this week to discover the number of people who honestly believe (can you believe something dishonestly? :) ) that a prayer must be voiced before salvation can take place. I really had no idea that so many people - and some very learned scholars - believe that a prayer is even one part of the salvation equation - much less the 'determining' part.
So I asked myself, 'Is this really a big deal? Does it really matter whether or not someone thinks you must say a prayer in order to be saved?' And the answer I've been forced to embrace is an emphatic 'YES'. It does matter. It matters because it affects how I see myself in the evangelism equation. It matters because it affects how I view prayer. It matters because it affects how I see God. It matters because it affects how I see other Christians.
How does it affect my evangelistic outlook? If I believe that prayer is a necessary component of salvation, then by necessity I must believe that I can 'persuade' someone to be saved. If salvation is dependent on someone voicing a prayer, then, by default, I must believe that they have the ability to 'choose' to voice that prayer. And if they have the ability to choose to voice 'the prayer', then they have the ability to be persuaded. And if they have the ability to be persuaded, then I should have the ability to persuade, no? And if I have the ability to persuade, then their salvation becomes dependent on my oratory skills, yes? The interesting part of this kind of thinking is that God has been completely left out of the equation. Salvation becomes an issue about whether or not someone will choose to say a prayer and whether or not someone else is able to persuade them to do so. God becomes an inept bystander 'hoping' that I have good oratory skills and 'hoping' that 'I.B. Choosen' will say the prayer. If evangelism is nothing more than persuasive oratory, then why are we able to persuade some and not persuade others? If, indeed, people can be persuaded into Christendom, then I should be a staunch advocate of emotional manipulation, 'fear tactics', and other such ploys in my efforts to 'lead others to Christ'. But I am not! I abhor emotional manipulation. I abhor preaching designed to scare people into heaven. In addition to being unscriptural, it presents a perverted picture of God as either an inept boob who is wringing his hands in the hopes that someone will choose to be saved, or as a vengeful potentate who is impatiently waiting to throw you into a burning hell - unless you stand at the Jesus counter and buy your ticket into heaven.
I believe that the 'prayer of salvation' issue can be solved in just a few words as follows: there is no Biblical warrant for such. This simple resolution, however, fails to address the larger problem of how we see God. Aside from the obvious Biblical issues inherent in holding a 'freedom of choice' view of salvation, I think the more serious flaw is the distorted idea of God that such a philosophy engenders. If I believe that someone can, at any time they want, just 'choose' to be saved, then I - by definition - believe in a God who is not totally omnipotent and omniscient. The God I believe in, however, IS TOTALLY omnipotent and TOTALLY omniscient. All men are not created equal. Some are created by the only True Creator to be a display of God's wrath and power and some are created by the only True Creator to be a display of God's mercy (Rom. 9). And what is the motivating factor for who is created for which purupose? It is nothing more than God's good pleasure! Those who are created to be a display of God's mercy were created for such a purpose simply because God, in His own counsel, chose to do so (Eph. 1).
But what about the prayer? Where does that fit in? If we are 'predestined' to be either vessels of wrath or vessels of mercy, can we change our predestination by saying a prayer? If not, why? Well, first of all, I believe that God doesn't hear the prayers of the wicked (John 9:31), so it must follow that it is impossible for a 'wicked' person to voice a 'prayer of salvation' that God can hear. Secondly, even if we could voice such a prayer, we don't have the spiritual understanding to do so (I Cor. 2:14). Things of God are 'foolishness' to the lost person - they don't understand those things and have no desire to understand them. Thirdly, before being spiritually reborn, we are spiritually dead (Eph. 2:1) - and dead people don't do ANYTHING - much less offer up a prayer to be made alive. Before glorious conversion, we simply do not seek after God (Rom. 3:11) - and to imply (by imploring us to say a prayer) that we can somehow find that which we are unable and unwilling to seek is to distort the gospel.
Henceforth, I shall be opposed to encouraging someone to 'say a prayer' in order to be saved and shall lovingly stand opposed to those who would preach such an offer.

Sola deo Gloria,

Post Tinebrae Lux

18 Comments:

Blogger Jeff Richard Young said...

Dear PTL,

I'm thankful you are working this issue. It has been a big one with me.

I was taught, and used to believe that we had to help an unbeliever to a magic moment when he would pray a sincere prayer of salvation in order to be saved. I used to say things like, "If you believe this message, and want to be saved, come down here during the invitation. We'll pray together, and you can be saved today."

Finally, one day, God turned the light bulb on in my head: If a person has believed the message, and wants to be saved, he is saved already!

Love in Christ,

Jeff

8/23/2006 7:37 AM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Jeff,
I guess I too, at one time, believed that I had to say a prayer to be saved - it's just been so long since I've thought about it that it seems silly to me now. And it's difficult to comprehend that so many either (1) haven't really thought about why it doesn't make sense, or (2) refuse to allow God His sovereignty. At any rate, I think the knowledge that I did NOTHING to 'get saved' and God did EVERYTHING gives me a much deeper gratitude and humility toward God.

Grace and peace brother,

PTL

8/23/2006 8:20 AM  
Blogger Jeff Richard Young said...

p.s. Where were you slugging it out on this issue? I'd like to visit that blog and read the arguments.

8/23/2006 11:13 AM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Jeff,
It's at Brad Reynolds' blog; guardian-ministries.blogspot.com under "what happens when I die."

Grace and peace,

PTL

8/23/2006 11:46 AM  
Blogger Wes Kenney said...

Almost thou persuadest me to be a Calvinist... ;-)

8/23/2006 12:13 PM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Wes,
That is hauntingly similar to what Pilate said, no? (Acts 26:28) :)

Grace and peace to you brother,

PTL

8/23/2006 12:24 PM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Wes,
Sorry - that was Agrippa; I don't know why I said Pilate. :)

PTL

8/23/2006 12:31 PM  
Blogger Wes Kenney said...

Yes, just having a little fun. Jeff and I are constantly ribbing one another (good naturedly) about his fatalistic view of salvation...

KIDDING! I'm only kidding. Still, why would Paul bother trying to persuade anyone, good Calvinist that he allegedly was?

8/23/2006 1:41 PM  
Blogger Jeff Richard Young said...

Dear Brother Wes,

Uh, maybe because Jesus said, "make disciples"!?!?!

Love in Christ,

Jeff

8/23/2006 9:06 PM  
Blogger Jeff Richard Young said...

Dear PTL,

Next time you get outnumbered like that, feel free to call for back-up!

Love in Christ,

Jeff

8/24/2006 7:41 AM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Wes,
Thanks so much for the light-hearted banter. It is refreshing. BTW, it didn't say that Paul was trying to persuade Agrippa - just that Agrippa was almost persuaded. :)

Grace and peace brother,

PTL

8/24/2006 8:46 AM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Jeff,
Thanks for the offer dude. I'll remember that next time.....

Grace and peace,

PTL

8/24/2006 8:46 AM  
Blogger DataLore said...

As a youth I prayed the sinners prayer many times.It never seemed to stick.I wondered how something as important as this was not even mentioned in the bible.I was told that was so our prayer would be genuine and from the heart and than we were always given an exact formula prayer to pray.

8/30/2006 10:27 AM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Datalore,
It seems you and I share commong ancestry. :) I, too, said the 'prayer' several times - and it still hasn't stuck. I am still a sinful, depraved soul - I am, however, comforted by the 'war' that is waged within me - it gives me hope that I am changed - and not by a prayer, but by God's boundless mercy and grace.

Grace and peace,

PTL

8/30/2006 11:33 AM  
Blogger Writer said...

PTL,

John Piper couldn't have said it any better. :)

Amen and amen!!

Les

10/10/2006 1:10 PM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Les,
that is a much more gracious comment than I deserve, but very much appreciated. I've found that, since I 'adopted' the doctrines of grace, life has much more meaning - God's purpose in EVERYTHING (including salvation) is so much more obvious to me now.

Grace and peace to you my brother,

PTL

10/10/2006 1:41 PM  
Blogger Richard Coords said...

ixdkmxPTL

Given your demeanor and interest in this subject, I will be glad to link your site from mine.

In terms of a verse on a "prayer of salvation," my primary verse is Romans 10:13.

Based upon the quote from D. James Kennedy, founder of Evangelism Explosion, I would have to say that not all Calvinists are opposed to a "prayer of salvation." In fact, it looked like Kennedy believed that one could pray to receive the new birth. That quote is found in my 1st John 5:1 write-up.

God bless,
Richard Coords

4/16/2007 12:37 PM  
Blogger posttinebraelux said...

Richard,
You've been more than gracious in our discussions. May we be as brothers who sharpen one another as we both journey through this life striving to become more like our saviour Jesus Christ.

Grace to you brother,

PTL

4/16/2007 12:52 PM  

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